I hear a lot of people complaining about the ballistic software Chairgun not being in line with their real world results. But in my field target rifle and scope combo’s it has improved to being very accurate by measuring “scope height” in the right way. When I gave other field target shooters the advise to do the same thing they also find that Chairgun is very accurate. And that the input value for “scopeheight” was the parameter for which they had used the wrong input.
“Scopeheight” is a major affecting parameter in every ballistic calculation. Much more so than a few hundredths of BC or ten FPS.
“Scope height” is actually the wrong name for this parameter. The actual parameter needed is the difference between the line of sight and the center of the barrel at the MUZZLE. See the picture for the explanation of the difference.
Wrong way and Right way to measure scope height for Chairgun (picture courtesy of Brian Samson)
The right way to measure this “scope height” is:
- Mark a cross on something like a Yellow pages or some other sheet of paper.
- Set your scope to the minimum parallax adjustment distance and minimum magnification.
- Cover the Objective lens with tinfoil and poke a very small hole (0,12″ or 3mm) in the center of the foil. (this will greatly improve the sharpness of the image at close distance and will allow you to see the cross on the paper at close distance)
- Sight the cross on the yellow pages and with your muzzle as close as possible to the yellow pages fire a pellet.( I managed to get as close as one feet / 30 centimeters between muzzle and paper)
- You can now measure from the center of your pellet hole to the cross you’ve marked on the paper.
This will give you your scope height for Chairgun. (Originally posted by Harry’s Lad, the programmer of Chairgun).
small hole in the foil
The difference between Point of Aim and Point Of Impact (POI) gives the “Scope Height”
For me this improved Chairgun to the point that it is more accurate than I can shoot my groups. I use Chairgun for Field Target shooting from 8 out to 55 yards to make my turret tapes.
Of course you have to make sure your scope’s click values and mildot spacing are correct as well. My Big Nikko for instance did not have the 1/8 moa clicks that the turrets said. I measured them and they are 1/7th moa clicks actually.
Regards, Sven.
(Pictures by Steve in NC from the Yellow Forum and Brian Samson from Shooting-The-Breeze original thread click here)
Airgun Accuracy 
November 11, 2014 at 11:52
Hello,
I tested this method to setup my Steyr LG110 FT and it works absolutely fine. I tested clicks of practice for each meter of 8 to 50 meters and they corresponded exactly to the table shown in the program.
Thanks for sharing
Vasil
January 6, 2015 at 19:33
I put out targets at 7, 8, 9 and 10m and measure how many millimeters the shot hits below the aimpoint. I then adjust the Chairgun scopeheight parameter so that the Chairgun curve corresponds to the actual measurements.
My experience is that at short distance this experimentally determined scopeheight (and at long distances the pellet BC value) determine whether the Chairgun curve matches the pellet trajectory. Velocity and BC are unimportant for the close distance curve, whereas scopeheight, within normal height range, is irrelevant for the long distance curve.
January 7, 2015 at 07:29
Hi Jo,
Thanks for your comment. I agree that your way of calibrating Chairgun at 7,8,9 and 10 meters will work as well. Although I have not tested this myself. It is more elaborate because you need to shoot at four different distances on four different targets. And you need to fiddle around in Chairgun. But it may be a good option when the scope does not give a clear enough image at 1 meter distance to see the cross on the paper.
Sven.
January 7, 2015 at 09:56
Hi Sven,
i guess 2 distances is enough for the way i do it.
Another appraoch is ordinary trigonometry. Example: suppose you can actually measure accurately the axis of the scope (sight line) with the axis of the barrel. (Even with a breakbarrel and some barrel droop these assumptions hold.) And assume the drop of the pellet to the first zero point is neglegible. The distance from the scope-objective to the muzzle is relatively small compared to the distance from de muzzle to the first zero point.
Example:
Distance scope-axis to barrel-axis at the scope: 3.9 cm
Distance scope objective to muzzle: 50 cm
Distance scope objective to first zero point: 1500 cm
Then the corrected scope height at the muzzle would be: 3.9 x (1450/1500) = 3.77 cm (so just over 1 mm difference)
Other, more extreme example:
Distance scope-axis to barrel-axis at the scope: 5 cm
Distance scope objective to muzzle: 60 cm
Distance scope objective to first zero point: 1300 cm
Then the corrected scope height at the muzzle would be: 5 x (1240/1300) = 4.77 cm (so just over 2 mm difference)
So for most shooters, accurately measuring the distance scope-axis to barrel-axis and substraction of 2 millimeter would be a reasonable approximation. The challenge of course being the accurate mesurement. The way you and i do it is a way of avoiding this scope-axis to barrel-axis measurement, which can be difficult in some setups. 🙂
Jo
March 9, 2015 at 22:37
I take the sum of half the diameters of the scope tube and probe and add the distance between the top of the probe and the bottom of the scope tube. Came to 1.55 inches. Then did the point and aim method and the distance between poa and poi came to 1.55 inches. Coincidence?
March 10, 2015 at 09:02
Hi Tony, Thanks for sharing your observations.
I have done the same thing twice. For the Steyr with a Nikko and the Walther with a Leupold. And in both cases the difference was significant. 1.2 and 1.4 cm or 0.47″and 0.55″ difference between the measuring diameters method and the shooting method described above. Those differences cause a difference in pellet drop at 50 meters/55 yards in Chairgun of exactly the same distances of 1.2 and 1.4 cm.
So I would say it is coincidence in you case. And when I look at the pictures above it seems to me it actually impossible for the two distances to be the same (between scopetube and barrel and between muzzle and line of sight). Or your scope must adjusted so that the sightline is absolutely parallel to the barrel. But in that case you would not hit anything at any distance when using the center of the reticle.
September 7, 2015 at 04:30
i am having an issue with my chairgun calculations. it may be related to this but its a drastic difference. rifle is zeroed at 35 yards. scope centerline is 2″ above bore. chairgun calculated approx. 2 mil hold over at 70 yards. in actually shooting the pellets land right at 1 mil under crosshairs. so I recheck all my figures. they are accurate. BUT…. I am using the fx no limits scope mounts….. and I have angle built into the scope at the moment for long range shooting. so the scope is angled downward in relationship to the bore. any input on how this will change my figures and how I can correct either the gun or the software to compensate for this. I know its not uncommon of shooters to do. ted from teds hold over uses them extensively. so now I need to figure out how to fix this problem.
September 7, 2015 at 06:32
Hi Scott,
Thank you for your question and input. To be able to answer I would like to know 2 things:
1. Is your scope at the correct magnification for the mil’s in the reticle? If your scope is a 2nd focal plane reticle scope it will need to be at the right zoom / magnificaton setting to read the correct mil distance from the reticle.
2. Did you determine the 2 inch scope height in the way described on this page? If you did it in a different way (by measuring the distance between scope tube and barrel) the adjustable mounts will increase the difference between the measured scope height and the value that Chairgun needs (distance between line of sight and the centerline of the bore at the muzzle). The downward angle created by the adjustable mounts will reduce the distance between line of sight and the centerline of the bore. Even more when the elevation turret on the scope is set to a long range setting. I use the Sportsmatch ATP61 adjustable scope mounts myself. And using the the method described here gives me a perfect match between Charigun and real world shooting. (and I did a calibration on the click value of my scope, which proved to be 1/7th moa instead of the claimed 1/8th moa).
February 8, 2019 at 19:28
Read my comment on how to set your scope height up right and do it that way and you will be dead on at longer ranges . The FX rings are great to tilt your scope so you can keep your scope optically centered at your zero distance . But trying to change it for longer shots is not going to work out so good and be able to repeat it again and again . What you want to use is a base that will adjust that has clicks dials or a indicating marker . like this one https://youtu.be/ODjCRsUUdsk or the hha optimizer thats a lot cheaper thats made for crossbows but works great on airguns . The hha is one 150.00 dollars and the one in the video is around 400.00 . The main this to do to get chairgun to match your gun is to first set your scope turrets to optically centered . Then adjust your fx rings so the cross hairs are dead on at what ever zero you want . If you have the adjustable mount on make sure its has not tilt . Once you have your scope optically centered at your zero lets say 20 yards That means your pellet is going to hit where you have the cross hairs set at 20 yards without adjusting the scope at all . Now move your target to the closest your parallax will let you focus to lest say 10 yards . Put a dot on the paper and line the crosshairs up with the dot and take the shot . Don’t measure anything like they are doing look at your scopes reticle see what spot on the reticle your pellet is at and make the blob in chair gun be in the exact spot by adjusting the scope height . Once you have chairgun matching your pellet shot you will have the correct scope height . Measuring the distance like they are doing doesn’t mean a thing if the pellet placement on the blob or intercept view does not match your gun s pellet placement on its reticle . Its a good way to get the scope height close as a starting point but you can get just as close to a starting point buy measuring center scope to center barrel ,but its just a starting point no matter what the measurement is if it doesn’t match your shot on the reticle its going to make your setting in chair gun be off . Don’t try to change your zero with the fx rings to a different zero to shoot longer shots use a adjustable base that has some type of adjustment markings that you can click to or turn like the hha speed dial . you want to be able to return to the different zero again and again in the exact spot . Read my comment I made if you need help with the visualization view box let me know . I know out to 300 yards with the right pellet weight , BC , fps and scope height once set to match your pellet location on the guns reticle you will be dead on to 300 yards . beyond that I can’t help My scope tilt and internal scope adjustment max’s out at 319 yards and still be on a mildot .
September 7, 2015 at 14:43
1 – Yes my scope is at its calibrated “mil” correct setting. It’s a second focal scope but it’s true to mil at 14 power. I also verified this with a 3.6″ target at 100 yards. The target is exactly 1 mil in height.
2 – no I did not perform this system …. Yet. However in trying various settings in chairgun I am still not able to make the scope height match my shooting results.
In brainstorming I feel I may not have my “far” zero. I possibly am experiencing my “near” zero and its throwing the calculations off. I am going to range test the gun today at distances from 10y to 100y and track the actual path of the pellets. Then maybe some insight will be found. I’m also going to bring the chrono again and verify my speed. Again playing with theory to make the program match my shooting results a theoretical speed of 1200 has to be used to get the results I have found. I’m sure my fx t-12 in .22 is not shooting 15.9 jsb exact pellets at 1200. I’m going to bring all my test equipment (lap top, tablet, chrono, targets, range finder, gps, tape measure, ruler, whiskey) out and try to resolve my problem. I’m going to leave my email address as maybe it’s easier to share findings via email. Hope your day is great and thank you for your input & assistance.
Scott Shepherd
September 7, 2015 at 15:32
Hi Scott,
Thanks for your quick reply. So, summarizing your problem; your 70 yards point of impact (POI) is 1 mil low where chairgun says it should be 2 mil. All with a 35 yard zero for a 22 cal airgun at about 30 fpe power with a scope height of 2 inch. This is a huge error.
When I put this in Chairgun I need to set the zero at 56 yards to get a 1 mil low at 70 yards. But then the 35 yard trajectory is 1 mil high. You would have noticed that.
To get a 35 yard zero and 1 mil low at 70 yards the scope height needs to be set to 4,5 inch ! I’m sure that woudl not have gone unnoticed as well.
I’m very curious to hear about your findings at the range. Keep us informed. I’m sure there is an error somewhere. One of the chairgun inputs must be a long way off.
Kind regards, Sven.
September 9, 2015 at 03:37
Got a return call from a Hawke rep today about scope height. He conformed that the number to put into the software is the actual height of the center of the scope tube above the center of the barrel. So, measure scope diameter at one location. diameter of the barrel or shroud at the same location and the distance between the bottom of the scope tube and the top of the barrel or shroud. Davide the scope diameter by 2, divide the barrel or shroud diameter by 2 , measure the distance between the bottom of the scope tube at the same location and the top of the barrel or shroud at the same location and add the three numbers together. You now have “scope height”.
September 9, 2015 at 08:06
Hi George,
Thanks for your input. But I have to disagree with the Hawke guy. The method of the Hawke representative that you mention will work and give you a result that is usually not far off. But every quarter inch error in scope height input will give a quarter inch error on your target (at any distance). A quarter of an inch (or 6,35mm) may not be a problem when shooting at a fixed distance on a paper target when you have the possibility to do sighting shots. But in Field Target shooting when shooting on a 15mm (0,60″) hitzone target at an unknown distance this may cost points in competition.
Kind regards, Sven.
September 9, 2015 at 17:00
Thanks Sven,
It seems that you really have this software dialed in. I’ll go with your method. There is one element of your way I don’t understand. Won’t the POA and POI differ depending on how far away the paper target is from the end of the barrel? You said you were able to get in close, 1′, from the paper. If you had been out at 1.5′ the results would have been different. How can I know the distance I end up with is going to give me the correct scope height?
Thanks,
George
September 10, 2015 at 07:28
Hi George,
Thank you for your reply. And yes, you are right. The distance from barrel end to paper target does matter. But half a foot (15cm) difference has only a very small, say minute, effect. The angle between line of sight and the centreline of the bore is very shallow. And at this shallow angle half a foot, or even a full foot, will make only a small difference.
I use Chairgun (my old version 2) to determine the angle between boreline and sightline. At a scopeheight of 6,9 cm and a zero distance of 50 meters the boreline and sight line intersect at 10 meters distance from the muzzle. When I have done my trigonometry correctly this is an angle of 0,4 degrees. Half a foot more will not make a difference at this shallow angle.
September 11, 2015 at 01:35
Thanks! One more question Should I measure from turret to actual end of barrel or shroud on a Benj Mrod to get the proper sight base?
Thanks
September 15, 2015 at 10:58
Hi George,
In my old Chairgun version 2, which I use mostly, the sight base input does not exist. In found it the new Hawke version. But it has only a minimal effect. When I click the plus and minus button to change the sight base distance I need to change the sight base by more than 5 inch to see the POI in clicks (1/4 moa) react. So the number for the sight base is not very sensitive.
For Scope Height it is VERY sensitive. I only need to change 0,05 inch and I see a click difference at 10 yards. This proves my point that scope height is an important parameter in Chairgun. And you need to have it right to get good chairgun ballistic tables.
February 29, 2016 at 23:50
Hi Sven,
I just now discovered your site and used a modified version of your technique to discover that my scope height measurement was off by 0.1″ — I had measured it and set in Chairgun as 1.85″, but it was actually 1.75″.
What I did was make a “wheel” with a wooden dowel “axle” taped to snugly fit the bore of my .22 air rifle. From the center axle point, I used a compass (the drawing kind) to make concentric circles from 1.5″-2.0″ at every 0.1″. Since the wheel was right at the end of the muzzle, I could not get a crisp picture, even with the pinhole and a bright light on the white surface, so even though I could see the rings, they were not sharp enough. I used painter’s blue tape to make horizontal tangent stripes inside the 1.5″ mark and outside the 2.0″ mark and then progressively taped in by 0.05″ until I saw the edge of the tape coming close to the horizontal crosshair, then I approached from the other side until I could just see a white line behind and centered vertically on the horizontal crosshair. The middle of that thin white stripe to the center point was my measurement — 1.75″.
Thanks for posting your technique, and I hope my version of it is helpful to folks.
Regards,
Shawn
March 1, 2016 at 10:07
Hi Shawn,
Thanks you for your post. Very useful to have another way to measure scope height. A picture of your setup would be great to show the readers what it looks like.
Thanks, Sven.
March 2, 2016 at 01:45
Sven,
I’ve already shot it as a target! 😛 It’s just concentric rings centered on and attached to the muzzle via an “axle” which is kind of like a regular boresight too. The use of tape should become obvious if anyone tries it.
If I do it again, I’ll take pictures.
Regards,
Shawn
October 26, 2016 at 07:05
Hi Sven, I tried your method, worked well with exception that the pellet hole was slightly off the vertical line, but measured 4.3cm for scope height. I assume that slight “Off centre” shot was a result of my hole in the foil not being exactly in the centre? Regards Geoff
October 26, 2016 at 08:22
Hi Geoff,
Thanks for posting your experiences here.
I don’t think an off centre hole would cause an off centre shot. I think it is either a parallax error or your scope is not in line with the barrel in the horizontal plane (cross over effect).
Try 5 shots in a row to see if the problem is consistent.
Good luck, Sven.
December 25, 2016 at 06:39
Hi Sven,
Merry Christmas! I am using your method to determine the scope height. The question that I have is: do I need to zero the scope first, or should I center the scope using the mirror method and then determine the height?
Thank you, Jacob.
January 4, 2017 at 16:12
Hi Jacob,
It does not matter much. The reticle is only moving a very small distance when you use this method because the paper is very close to the scope.
And the scope height is a much larger parameter.
Best regards, Sven.
January 17, 2017 at 03:56
Hi Sven,
Thanks for your reply. I kind of played with it while taking multiple shots, and you’re right, it didn’t matter.
Thank you for this great method!
March 1, 2017 at 16:48
Mike Oxtinks
I Chrono the pellet I’m going to use.
I set my zero at 30m. I move the target out to 50m (2 sheets of A4) I have one or two vertical lines and one horizontal line near the top of the page.
I shoot 3-5 pellets with cross hairs on the horizontal vertical cross on the target. I measure the drop in mm from POA to POI. I use “calculate BC from actual POI – which give BC)
I enter the values of actual POI at 50m and zero data along with scope height (which I have always measured at the objective end/bell – Half scope dia + half barrel dia + distance to barrel from scope bell). I move the target to 10m – 15 – 20 – 25 etc and use the Chairgun app data to see if I POI’s/holdover/holdunder is correct by shooting the target at these distances. It’s usually right. (close enough for 10-45m pest control. Groups are usually well under a 5p piece.
Chairgun is only as good as the data you enter.
I spoke to Hawke re – BC changes to get the correct pellet curve for my field shots and they said “manipulate it ( Chairgun ) as you need to to ensure that out in the field the read out is correct” ie . . . where Chairgun says 1.75 mil dots holdover for a given shot. . . . . you do indeed make the shot and All shots using the inputted data.
April 22, 2017 at 07:41
I like all this ‘science’ stuff and have/do use Chairgun myself.
This thread has an underlying message. My character is to instinctively look to the ‘science’ behind something, it wasn’t until towards the end that I saw the underlying message. The focus on scope height hides that it is about massaging the inputs to Chairgun to get it to predict what we get when we shoot the gun.
Having calculated the scope height (ala Tony’s method), measured the fps with the chronograph, and all the other parameters Chairgun needs, I confirm the predictions by setting up sheets of paper at 5yd steps and take shots.
So why not shoot paper in the first place and forget about analogues?
May 24, 2017 at 12:18
Thank you Steve, that’s exactly what I do to make my range cards, and what I would advice everyone: Shoot paper at 2 to 4 meter intervals and record the turret settings.
Chairgun has its use, shooters can really learn a lot from it, but the real world conditions are difficult to catch in a computer model such as Chairgun.
One example: I recently found that two identical Sightron FT scopes reacted completely different to the adjustment of the parallax side wheel. One shifted the reticle 2,5 inch downwards between the 8 and the 50 meter setting. With this scope I need much less clicks to go from the 8 meter zero to the 50 meter zero than with the other identical scope. A collimator gave me the answer, but computer models like chairgun will be largely off when using this scope.
The shifting scope is not giving me any trouble, it is very reliable and shifts the same amount every time in an exactly vertical line. (would it have shifted horizontally it would of course be useless and have needed repair).
So I fully agree with you: Shoot and record to make your range card!
April 22, 2017 at 14:44
Good point. There’s nothing like the science of actual, real field data. If you want to know where your point of impact is at 79 yards go set up a piece of paper at 79 yards.
May 31, 2017 at 17:29
Hi Sven
An interesting topic
I was tidying the garage today and I have some 25 and 30mm o/d tube. If I took the scope off and put a length of tube the same diameter as the scope in the mounts and the tube was level with the end of the barrel and I then measured the distance from center of barrel to center of tube, do you think using this dimension would work as the scope height in chairgun.
I’m asking as I don’t want to take off the scope if you don’t think this method will not be accurate
June 1, 2017 at 19:45
Hi Bob, that’s an interesting idea. In theory the centre line through the rings is not the same as the optical line through the scope. I don’t know how much it would differ, and if the difference is small (say under 5mm ) it would be no problem. If the difference would be larger it would be a problem. It would be nice to test and see.
On the other hand, the aluminium foil test is easier because everything stays in place, not needing to take the scope of is a great advantage.
I will check if I have any 30mm tube of sufficient length lying around. To make the comparison myself.
Thank you for handling this good idea.
Regards, Sven.
February 7, 2018 at 12:32
Hello Sven,
Could you expect similar results by placing a flat surface at the muzzle, pointing a bright flashlight down the eyepiece and then taking the measument from the center of the crosshairs to center of muzzle?
February 8, 2018 at 09:49
Hello Michael,
Thank you for your input. That’s an interesting idea. I do not know if it would work. The problem I see is that the position of the flashlight behind the eyepiece is very critical. At the short distance the flat surface is in front of the scope this may cause problems of parallax error.
But you should try, it’s not so difficult to set up. Moving the flashlight will easily show if the parallax is a problem or not.
Regards, Sven.
July 15, 2018 at 11:33
Hi all, greatly appreciate all this advice. Gone are the days when the odd lucky shot hit the mark at 50 plus yards. Personally, I field test fron 30 out to 90 yards and record POI on mil-lines and clicks. I managed to get Chairgun and Strelock working well until I recently changed scope to a Discovery FFP scope. I’m pretty sure both programmes don’t work well with FFP, although I may be having a dummy moment.
My POI on a SFP at longer ranges were usually around 3-4 mil-dots hold-over from the centre, on the FFP all my hold-overs are below 2 mil-dots? Clearly, I’m getting something wrong and Hawke’s Chairgun has no ability to enter a FFP scope which is dissapointing to say the least.
I’ve tested and re-tested with the same result. Scope height using the close foil methd, BC using near and far. One thing that always bugged me was just taking a scope and adjusting windage / elevation unitl I got my first POI accurate, so now I centre the cross hairs and shim the scope rings until I’m practically spot on at 30 yards, so I know the cross hairs are central, and I fine tune with minimum clicks.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Chris JR
August 7, 2018 at 10:24
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your input about the Discovery First Focal Plane scope and its relation with ballistic software. When you have set the right parameters in Chairgun for zero range, scope magnification and the magnification at which the scope has actual mils as its dot spacing, there is no reason why Chairgun, or any other ballistic software should not be able to be used with a FFP scope.
But I’m sure you have been over those settings to check them. The only other thing I can think of is that the mil spacing in your Discovery scope is different from what you expect it to be.
The best thing is to check that by looking through the scope at a metric ruler or tape measure at exactly 10 meters distance. As a Mil is 1 centimetre at 10 meters distance you can easily check what the mildot or hashmark spacings are in your actual scope.
(When you don’t have a Metric ruler or measure tape: In imperial sizes a mil is 0.394 Inch at 10.936 Yards, or 0.787 Inch at 21.872 Yards and so on).
Or, maybe even better, print one of these targets from the Anston FT Club website to check you reticle: https://www.anstonftc.co.uk/targets/ and make sure you set it at the right distance for that target.
Good luck with your new scope,
Sven.
February 8, 2019 at 09:55
I may have missed it but in the instructions shouldn’t the scope be optically centered to your zero before you do anything ? The scope should stay optically centered and then the tilt of the scope should be set to match where you want the center cross hairs to be zeroed at . For example lets say you wanted the cross hairs to be optically centered at 18.5 yards . Tilt the scope until you have the pellet hitting dead center the cross hairs at 18.5 (in my case) .
Now get back 10 yards . make a dot on a paper and line the cross hairs on the dot and shoot a pellet . With my gun that shoots a 14.3 grain pellet at 950 fps the 10 yard shot put the pellet at 3.5 mildots below the cross hairs . Now is when you set the scope height in chairgun .
Set your pellet weight 14.3 and your fps 950 ,the BC 0.0272 . and the scope height to the measurement you set from the way its measured with the big red x above . Measuring from the center of the scope to the center of the barrel is a good starting point and will put the yellow blob close to where it need to be to start off with . set your zero box to ( in my case) 18.5 , then set the end range box to 10 yards
Now open the visualization view box . Set the blob size to 9.9 mm This is the smallest it will go and the most accurate . You should see a small yellow circle below the crosshairs . Move the scope height box plus or minus to match where your pellet hit on the 10 yard shot . In my case 3.5 mil dots low . As you adjust the plus a or minus you can see the blob move . The center of the blob is the center of your pellet . Once the center of the blob dot matches where the pellet hit on your scope mildot you now have the correct scope height setting .
This will make all your shots match what chairgun gives you . Chairgun is assuming you have your scope optically centered to match your zero . If its not nothing is going to work out as it should in chairgun . So once you have your scope optically centered at your zero distance and you match the 10 yard shot in chairgun to whats on your scope by adjusting the scope height the distances will all be correct and the scope cap view box will match where your pellet will go .
On my gun I measured the center of the scope to the center of the barrel and I was only off by only a few clicks I think it was 3 click off ,but 3 clicks off changed my scope cap setting from , close range 10.5 mildot setting to 10 .7 and at the opposite side of the mildot 99 yards to 101 go it was 2 yards off at around 100 yards . So if you want your scope cap view or the intercept view box to match real life pellet location way past 55 yards then do it this way . Pick the scope height to match the pellet location that’s on your scope at 10 yards after you set your pellet to hit at your zero . If anyone does not understand the way to set your the scope height in chair gun to match real life pellet location on the scope . Let me know I will take some photos to help guide you through the correct way to set the scope height in chairgun . Its really easy once you have your zero set on your gun .
I shoot out to 300 yards , that’s my limit with the airgun I have .so I know this works out at least to the 300 mark .
I have a HHA optimizer that has a wheel that you can turn that tilts the scope . It’s made for crossbows but works great on air guns . It has a total of 33,35 mils of adjustment . So I can keep my crosshairs dead on at 18.5 yards out to 287 yards and still be optically center and on the cross hairs at 264 yards by just turning the speed dial .
In chair gun if you look at poi mildot table you can see that 33.32 mils is 264 yards so If I turn the wheel to its max tilt my crosshairs will be dead on at 264 yards.
Lets say I wanted to take a 157 yard shot . I open the intercept box in chairgun and I can see that my 5th mildot is 119 yards . I can look at the table and see at 119 yards is 4.93 mildots so I right that down . Then I make my new zero 119 yards in chairgun . I put up a paper at 10 yards and mark the distance from the cross hairs to the 5th mildot . I then tilt the scope so the cross hairs line up with 5th dot . I mark the speed dial tape and mark it as 119 yard . Now with the new 119 zero my intercept box shows me where 157 yards is on the mildot . with my gun its on the 5th mildot I can look at the table and see that 157 yards is another 4.97 mils so its a total of 9.9 mils to go from a 18.5 zero to a 157 yard shot So I can either click out 9.9 mils on the turrets and be dead on or leave my scope turrets alone and dial another 4.9 mils on the speed dial . With the speed dial turned 9.9 mils your scope is going to still be optically centered . I have found that when your tube inside the scope stays straight you can be a lot more accurate on shots past 100 yards . The tilting of the tube at long ranges do not work out so good truth me . You can also mark the speed dial tape from 12.5 yards out to 287 yards if you want to so once you have it marked you can speed dial to any distance you want .
So far chairgun as been dead on at every yard out to 300 yards ,once I set my scope height to match the pellet shot location mildot to mildot .